Sarsanghschalak Interview

Transcript Excerpts of Interview of RSS chief Mohan Rao Bhagwat to India Today (Source: Shri Rajagopalan, Delhi based Senior Journalist)

At a time when the bjp is going through its worst existential crisis, the man with the walrus moustache and a mischievous glint in his eyes has become the most sought-after oracle in town. Mohanrao Bhagwat, the 59-year-old boss of the rss, plays the role to perfection, and every word of his continues to be worthy of Page 1 nowadays. The media savvy Bhagwat’s ascension as the head of the House of Saffron has marked a generational as well as cultural shift in the organisation. He is the moderniser, the 21st century face of the rss. As the bjp seems to have abandoned its core ideology for the sake of coalition politics, Bhagwat has brought Hindutva back to the national agenda. As the bjp suffers from the absence of a leader who can take the party out of the wreckage of defeat, the sixth sarsanghchalak has become the supreme guide and the wise counsellor. As the party retreats from the national mindspace, he styles himself as the last apostle of the nationalist cause. As its ambitious but discredited leaders struggle for the spoils of a lost war, he tells them: behave or be damned. Still, the Brahmin bachelor from Chandrapur in Maharashtra finds time to read the new Dan Brown. Like the symbologist hero in The Lost Symbol, Bhagwat too has to think smart and act fast to save the Parivar he heads. In a candid conversation with Editor prabhu chawla for the Seedhi Baat show on Aaj Tak channel at the rss office in Jhandewalan in Delhi, Bhagwat talks about subjects ranging from the future leadership of the bjp to Vande Mataram, from Chidambaram to Modi, from Pakistan to China—and more. Excerpts.

Q. What do you think about the Deoband reaction against Vande Mataram?

A. Vande Mataram is for all Indians. It was part of our freedom movement and history. There was a time when both Hindus and Muslims sang it.

Q. The Muslims say it is against their religion.

A. I don’t think any religion is against desh bhakti. To say Bharat Mata ki Jai and Vande Mataram is not like a religious puja or idol worship.

Q. What is the Sangh’s view?

A. (Thumps the table) Vande Mataram kehna hoga (Everyone in India will have to say Vande Mataram).

Q. Do you think the minorities felt threatened after the Masjid fell?

A. I would say that the wishes of the Hindu samaj were ignored by the government. The anger against the system was taken out on the structure.

Q. But your strong take on the Babri Masjid, the Uniform Civil Code and Article 370 makes minorities insecure.

A. Just tell me why is there no rational dialogue regarding such matters. For 90 years there has been no court judgement (on the Ram Mandir). And when nothing happens, the average man loses his balance.

Q. V.P. Singh had a formula to build both mandir and masjid at Ayodhya. As a responsible organisation why don’t you show some magnanimity?

A. This will not create unity. If a Ram Mandir is built peacefully, it will end Hindu-Muslim fighting. A mosque can’t be constructed at the same site. Let them construct another mosque at some other place and the Hindus will extend all possible help.

Q. The Congress apologised for the anti-Sikh riots and Advani said the demolition was a national shame.

A. The Sangh did not say “demolish the structure” but the court’s delay on the verdict angered the people.

Q. Do you agree with Advani that it was a national shame?

A. I don’t agree with Advani on this issue. Why didn’t they give legal permission for kar seva when so many people had collected for it?

Q. Why is the Sangh unwilling to do something which makes minorities feel safe? Whatever happened in Gujarat also added to the gap between the Sangh and the minorities.

A. Violence is wrong wherever it happens. Don’t just look at one side. What happened in Godhra should not have happened. No one talks about the killings at Godhra.

Q. Should Narendra Modi apologise for the Gujarat carnage?

A. He is the head of a state, he has full knowledge of what happened and is capable of giving his reaction. If he thinks that something that needs an apology has taken place, then he will apologise. I am sure. I have also been told the speed with which the riots in Gujarat were controlled is commendable. Why should he apologise if he has done no wrong? That is not the way.

Q. Sonia Gandhi and Manmohan Singh were not responsible for the 1984 riots but have apologised. It increases their stature. If Modi or the rss do the same, they will stand to gain.

A. At that time there was a comment, ‘When a big tree falls, some things are bound to happen.’ No such statement was made in Gujarat.

Q. Does it mean the rss will never compromise on its core issues?

A. India’s unity and integrity is non-negotiable. So is the Ram Mandir at Ayodhya and a Uniform Civil Code.

Q. If I understand correctly, you still believe in Akhand Bharat and not in the two-nation theory.

A. It is all part of India. Pakistan is transitory and will become part of India sooner or later.

Q. What about Afghanistan?

A. Pakistan and Afghanistan are a part of us and will return one day.

Q. You claim that the rss has no direct control over the bjp. But it sent 35 pracharaks to the bjp and they report to you.

A. It is not compulsory that they report to us. We only want them to stick to their principles. We don’t interfere in their work.

Q. There have been reports of rss  pressure on the bjp, that Vasundhara Raje was removed because of pressure from the rss.

A. The rss had nothing to do with it. This is an internal matter of the bjp.

Q. Four months ago you talked about a change in the bjp leadership. The bjp lost three state elections and no change seems forthcoming.

A. Change will happen but at its own time. I only said what I have been told (by the bjp), they have a plan in mind and it is rolling on.

Q. There is a strong feeling that the rss is intervening and imposing itself on the bjp.

A. The rss never intervenes, only gives advice when asked.

Q. But you have said that the new leadership will be someone other than these four (Sushma Swaraj, Arun Jaitley, Venkaiah Naidu and Ananth Kumar).

A. Yes the new leadership will be someone other than these four. This is what I have been told. That is what has been agreed on and I believe the process has begun.

Q. You will get someone from outside Delhi between 50 and 55 years of age?

A. They will get someone from outside Delhi.

Q. In the last five-six years, several people who are media creations with no affiliation to the Sangh have come into prominence in the bjp. Has this lead to a dilution in ideology?

A. The Sangh is not against anyone, we don’t look at anyone whether he is a swayamsevak or not.

Q. Are you worried about an image of corruption amongst the swayamsevaks who have joined the bjp?

A. Politics is a slippery ground but still we don’t want to see one of our swayamsevaks slipping. We talk to them but it is up to the bjp to take action against them.

Q. The bjp is a visible face of the Sangh Parivar. Are you worried when you send workers to the party? They also get affected by the personality cult and the individual becomes more important than the organisation.

A. Yes we are worried and we do talk to them about it.

Q. Would you prefer that the party is led by someone who believes in the rss ideology?

A. Who will lead the party is something they will decide. What we want is someone who articulates our ideology, believes in teamwork, encourages the younger generation and the difference in ‘a party with a difference’ should be visible to all.

Q. There are some outfits that are not part of the Sangh, yet there is a perception that they belong—like the Sri Ram Sene of Karnataka… Pragya Thakur. Why don’t you disassociate the rss from them?

A. I have already said that I have nothing to do with the Sri Ram Sene. There is no such thing as Hindu terrorism. No Hindu will support terrorism.

Q. Yet you supported Pragya Thakur.

A. No, all we said is that don’t do a media trial. Let the courts decide.

Q. I saw a recent statement by the Sangh saying that P. Chidambaram is doing good work.

A. He is saying a lot of good things, but if he delivers on these, we will definitely praise him.

Q. Are we soft on China?

A. I have my doubts if the Government is alert on China. It has a well-defined strategy of encircling India. China has surrounded us by wooing our neighbouring countries from Maldives to Pakistan. We have to liberate our neighbours from the clutches of China.

Q. Have the Chinese defeated us at diplomacy?

A. Overtaken, not defeated. We can still do something.

Q. Regarding Pakistan, the bjp seems confused. What is the rss view?

A. Pakistan exists on the premise of being anti-India. Pakistan needs to be given a decisive reply for all its mischievous actions, we need another  military victory over Pakistan. That is perhaps the only way by which we can prevent a 26/11 and terror attacks.

Q. Have we lost an opportunity to score a military victory?

A. When Parliament was attacked and then after 26/11. Our government failed us then. We lacked the will.

Q. Do you agree that a strong and stable Pakistan is good for India?

A. If Pakistan is mentally healthy and gives up anti-India sentiments only then it’s good for India.

Vande Mataram and Indian Muslims

Vande Mataram from Bankim Chandra Chattopadyaya’s “Anand Mutt” is India’s national song.

The Song sung by Lata Mangeshkar (Music Director Hemant Kumar Mukhopadyaya)  is captured here:

“Vande Mataram” was the Mantra, reciting which numerous Indians from Punjab to Tamilnadu braved death and fought the British occupation. Composed in simple Sanskrit, this is a national song of India and any day most nationalist Indians rate this song above “Jana Gana Mana”, a song penned by Tagore welcoming British King George as “Bharata Bhagya Vidhaata-Arbitrator of India’s Destiny”.

The Islamist veto and the nehruvian appeasement of islamism prevented “Vande Matharam” from becoming the National Anthem of India. And in a remarkable parody of History, Indians have a song, sung first welcoming a foreign dignitary, as the national anthem. nehru as the first prime minister of India did enormous damage to the soul of India. nehru’s foot prints can be seen in most of India’s social, economic, defence and foreign affairs problems.

One can not help noticing the superiority of this composition of “Vande Mataram”, the complete one, to the subsequent subversion efforts (subverted islamised one) by the likes of Slumdog A R Rehman, which in comparison to the original version appear trite. Later compositions on account of composer’s poor knowledge of Sanskrit and Indian culture could never reproduce the spirit and magic of Bankimda’s immortal work.

Why Islamists oppose the song?

Yesterday Jamiat Ulama-i-Hind resolution endorsed Deoband, Dar-ul-Uloom’s fatwa against  singing Vande Mataram, India’s national song.

Central reason of muslim hostility to the song is islamist opposition to blend with natives,  islamist hatred of native Indian traditons.

One may notice that islamists dont seem to have qualms at all on Jana Gana Mana, where English Emperor George V is addressed as Bharata Bhagya Vidata (Arbitrator of India’s destiny). So the issue is as much political as it is an assertion of islamist exclusivity.

One need not blame Maulana Madani, Jamaat leader, who is straight with his position unlike the sickular crowd.  Madani referred explicitly to Indian muslims following mohummad’s Hudaibiya precedent. (islam’s founder mohommad led a strategic retreat in Mecca without integrating with native Quresh, who were stronger, and waited for an appropriate moment to strike for islam and extinguish native Arab beliefs). Sickularism in India is a tool for islamists to persist with Hudabiya type strategy.

Those who eulogise so called muslim moderates like Syed Ahmed Khan, Maulana Mohummad Ali, and Jamaat as a moderate organizations are guilty of deliberate deceit.

Above assertion holds as Syed ahmed khan indeed peddled deceit – asserting that he belonged to two equal circles – one Indian, one islamic, and then collaborated with the British for waxing of one (islam) and waning the second (native indian); just as muslims today collaborate with sickular/communist deceits.

Jamaat, Maulana Maududi and others similarly opposed partition not because of nationalist credentials, as Congress I (islami-isai) deceits would have one believe, but because of the concern that division of India, would slow down the wider islamist millennium old project to take over India, cut down native beliefs/traditions.

What should be done?

Unfortunately there are no easy solutions.

It is quite clear that coercive dogmatic islamist undermining of national unity can be faced only by coercive efforts by the state. Sarcozy was left with no option but to ban burqa in the interest of French society, its native tradition, their well being.

In India, articles 25-30 which have been used to empower totalitarian xianity/islam have to go. In India, we have a situation wherein all the rights, privileges and prerogatives belong to the minorities and the native Indians are left holding the duties, responsibilities and obligations. Natives as we know in India cant set up education institutions to propagate their values/heritage. And native places of worship alone get regulated by the hostile government, their resources abused/looted. This perverse situation does not exist anywhere else in the world.

Conclusion:

Failure to address islamist vote bank politics, encouraged and nurtured by congress I (islami-isai), communist boot leggers will have enormous costs for India, its unity and in specific for followers of native Indian faiths – Hindus, Jains, Sikhs, Buddhists.

Tailpiece 1:

Some Tagorists are in a state of denial that Tagore did not  eulogise George V thru Jana Gana Mana. Evidence is too strong on the context of Jana Gana Mana creation as eulogy to King George; and its timing – it was first publically sung welcoming british emperor; media carried reports to that effect (see next para); Tagore as long as he lived, never publically denied these reports show the correct position. ZIM believes that Tagore’s greatness as a poet is in no way diminished by the evidence that Jana Gana Mana was created by him as a eulogy to King George. Those were perceived by many as the halcyon days of the Raj. Another give away is that in native Indian tradition, Nation is looked at as a mother that nurtures. Tagore himself in Amar Sonar Bangla, refers to Bengal as Nurturing Mother.

(-Statesman, Dec.28, 1911)’Jana Gana Mana’ was composed and Sung on December 1911, precisely at the time of the Coronation Durbar of George V, and Statesman of those days called it a paean in praise of “the overlord of India’s destiny”. “The Bengali poet Babu Rabindranath Tagore, British Indian subject, sang a song composed by him specially to welcome the Emperor.”)

Those interested in traditional vande mataram versions can listen to (1) Hemant Kumar singing Vande Mataram (2) Child singing Vande Mataram in Desh Raag

IBN Lies Live

Foreign funded IBN Lies Live has a history of undermining native Indians. A section from their news program is provided here.

Take the polls that follow

The interplay of connections, by no means exhaustive that monopolise mass manufacturing falsehood is presented here.

Interplay of IBN Lies Live, Editor Sagarika Ghose’s connections is provided here. It appears that family connections rather than merit propelled Sagarika Ghose to the editorship of IBN Lies Live.

And we will see Rajdeep Sardesai with a straight face claiming his channel is unbiased and will talk about the propriety of dynasty politics. Touche! Joke is on us, those who watch manufactured deceit from IBN Lies Live!

BJP: Vasu Cut Down – Is Kamaraj Type Plan the Way Out?

BJP/RSS is showing poor understanding of how perceptions are formed. Perceptions are important in democratic polity. BJP

should know that it is operating in a hostile environment where its positive points will be under reported and its weaknesses

amplified.

Perceptions over a period of time shape credibilty and credibility is an important ingredient in electoral market place.

The way in which Vasu’s resignation was played out shows that either or both LKA/MB are making serious errors of judgement.

But for backing from LKA/MB, it seems unlikely that adhoc and arbitrary decisions’ll be continuously taken. RSS too cant wash

their hands off from these happenings as they unfold.

Despite Vasu’s mistakes, it is not untrue that the likes of Jaswant Singh undermined Vasu during her tenure. Vasu’s

accusations are a mere paraphrasing of what Arun Shourie highlighted in an even more damning terms – existence of double

standards. Vasu/Gen Khanduri might have failed to deliver. But so did Arun Jaitley(AJ)/Raj Nath Singh(RNS) in UP.

While failure in itself should not be a disqualification, as failures often result in learning key lessons, repeated failures

is a disqualification. From this perspective, Raj Nath Singh much more than Vasu/Khanduri should have been shown the door

first. The argument that RNS is anyway on the way out is specious.

Bleed an enemy by thousand cuts is something delivered on hostile elements. Not on oneself. Protracted bleeding that is being

manifest in BJP’s transition, reflects serious mistakes that BJP/RSS leadership is making.

When drastic changes to the organization are being carried out, it is better if it is done fast as a surgical strike. If

there is a bloodbath, so be it. Its better than protracted bleeding (factional shenanigans) that will impact BJP perception

in the minds of its prospective voters. A rapid strike also helps set the rules of the game – cut down factionalism. Events

if allowed to drift can impact credibility of Sangh.

One way to effect quick transition is through BJP’s own version of Kamaraj Plan. BJP can of course can call it “Vajpayee

Plan” or “Advani Plan”. More than semantics what is important is person/team arbitrating the plan execution should be

competent and perceived by most sections as genuinely neutral. People holding central party leadership positions, should be

asked to quit.

Let redeployments be representative, based primarily on capabilities/performance rather than solely on loyalties/Sangh

legacy. While importance of loyalty/trust cant be underplayed, deployments should be based primarily on potential for showing

positive results.

(This section making a pitch for re-susticating BJP is part of an extensive analysis that was done earlier post 2009 LS

Elections; addressing both strategic and tactical aspects)

BJP/RSS is showing poor understanding of how perceptions are formed, credibility built. Perceptions are important in democratic polity. BJP should know that it is operating in a hostile environment where its positive points will be under reported and its weaknesses amplified.

Perceptions over a period of time shape credibilty and credibility is a key ingredient in electoral market place.

The way in which Vasu’s resignation was played out shows that either or both LKA/MB are making serious errors of judgement.

But for backing from LKA/MB, it seems unlikely that adhoc and arbitrary decisions’ll be continuously taken. Sangh cant wash its hands off from the events as they unfold. It appears Mohan Bhagwat’s message on transition is being undermined.

Despite Vasu’s mistakes, it is not untrue that the likes of Jaswant Singh undermined Vasu during her tenure. Vasu’s accusations are a mere paraphrasing of what Arun Shourie highlighted in an even more damning terms – existence of double standards. Vasu/Gen Khanduri might have failed to deliver. But so did Arun Jaitley(AJ)/Raj Nath Singh(RNS) in UP.

While failure in itself should not be a disqualification, as failures often result in learning key lessons, repeated failures, is a disqualification. From this perspective, Raj Nath Singh much more than Vasu/Khanduri should have been asked to resign first.  The argument that RNS is anyway on the way out is specious. Buck rests at the top.

Bleed an enemy by thousand cuts is something delivered on hostile elements. Not on oneself. Protracted bleeding that is being manifest in BJP’s transition, and they reflect serious mistakes that BJP/RSS leadership appear to be making.

When drastic changes to the organization are being carried out, it is better if it is done fast as a surgical strike. If there is a bloodbath, so be it. Such a course is better than protracted bleeding (factional shenanigans) that will impact BJP perception in the minds of its prospective voter base. A rapid strike also helps set the rules of the game – cut down factionalism. Events if allowed to drift can impact credibility of Sangh.

One way to effect quick transition is through BJP’s own version of Kamaraj Plan. BJP can of course can call it “Vajpayee Plan” or “Advani Plan”. More than semantics what is important is person/team arbitrating the plan execution should be competent and perceived by most sections as genuinely neutral. People holding central party leadership positions, should be asked to quit.

Let redeployments be representative, based primarily on capabilities/performance rather than solely on loyalty/Sangh legacy. While importance of loyalty/trust cant be underplayed, deployments should be based primarily on potential for showing, sustaining positive results.

(This section making a pitch for re-susticating BJP is part of an extensive analysis that was done earlier post 2009 LS Elections; addressing both strategic and tactical aspects)

Tailpiece: Post this blogpost, Sarsangchalak of RSS, Shri MB openly alluded to serious nature of BJP’s problems. Contrary to inspired media leaks, central problem seems to lie with the BJP top brass.

Maharashtra Defeat: Lessons for BJP

BJP, if it has to get out of its morass of the past decade, will need following:

1. Coherent definition of Ideology elements such as Hindutva, Big Ideas that will have resonance in minds of voters.
2. Social Engineering to expand its voter base on social and economic criteria. Execution done by enabling the Organization machinary, effectively synergising with like minded organization/groups/opinion makers.
3. Inspiring and credible leadership of a proven performer like Modi who can bring in the incremental votes (something that Advani 2009 could not achieve). Credibility of leadership is important. Image should match reality. (Sickular muck throwing if effectively countered on ground will help potential BJP voter mobilisation)

Above three conditions in conjunction are necessary. A two legged or a one legged seat is never stable.

A committed dharmic battle fought in the mindspace, resolutely over a period of time is the way to go. There should be a will to win backed by killer instinct (Krishna Neethi) to win. Perseverence will be the key. While the election campaign is culmination of the fight, the war to root out totalitarian dynastic evil congress I (islami-isai) is continuous and it should continue with full vigor.

(This section is from more extensive analysis that was done earlier post 2009 LS Elections)

Ram Punyani’s Clever By Half Cunningness in Muslim India

Rogue professor Ram Punyani is back with his Goebellsian lies and shibboleths fittingly this time in Muslim India. 

Punyani cites what he calls Hindu mal-treatment of women. Censors the fact that in native Hinduism alone feminine as divine is accepted and celebrated, so unlike islam. 

It is indeed laughable that Punyani’s vehicle for feminst stand is an islamic medium. In every sense Hindu women in India are better empowered than islamic women. 

Punyani pretends as if in islam, Talibs alone are anti-women. Typical of leftist deceit, he censors islam’s position on women: quran/mohummad institutionalized inferior status of women. Quran, Verse 4:34 howsoever muslims spin it, is quite categorical on this count. Watch the video below for elaboration on quran’s position on status of woman – property of man, fit to be beaten up.

Native Indian beliefs are essentially non dogmatic. Manu Smriti hardly has the dogmatic perception Hindu’s mind unlike the position koran has in a common muslim’s. Punyani of course tries to do better than Don Quixote. He regurgates the nonsense on slavery of Shudras. He surely cant be ignorant of the historical fact that Shudras like Shivaji, Narendrabhai Modi, Sanghi have been in the fore front defending native Indians and their traditions. And the so called upper caste Hindus never have any problem being led by Shudra leaders like NaMo, Shivraj Chauhan. 

Contrast this with institutionalised tribal heirarchies and approval of tribal incompatibility as valid reason for divorce in islamic law – shariah. Islamic equality indeed! Far from equality, Inequality is institutionalised in islam. 

With their chosen red fundamentalist friends like Ram Punyani, muslim Indians dont need enemies. After working to undermine native Indians, their beliefs, their unity, muslim victimhood cries will be hollow, if their actions similar to the ones in Godhra, result in hostile native responses.  Muslim hypocritical cries will be rejected with the disdain with which native Indian Gujaratis have been rejecting them.

Some Gyaan for Ram Puniyani and fundoos of muslim India: 

• Rashtriya Sevika Samiti is an autonomous organisation with a separate charter which includes inculcating leadership in women. Sangh does not micromanage it. 
• Unlike muslims and communists, Sanghis worship Indian Nation as a Feminine Manifestation, Bharat Mata. 
• Sangh Recently awarded Guruji Award to Ms Kom, India’s boxing champion. 

Ms. Kom India’s Boxing Champion being Feted by Sangh’s Guruji Award

Arun Shourie at Harvard

Arun Shourie Shares His Take on India’s bogus secularism, leftist canards, NaMo’s performance & prospective role in BJP, MF Hussein’s islamist hypocrisy, corruption, pernicious influence of money in electoral politics.

Arun Shourie shares his take on India’s bogus secularism, leftist canards, NaMo’s performance & prospective role in BJP, MF Hussein’s islamist hypocrisy, corruption, pernicious influence of money in electoral politics.

Some key points:

1. Moderator seems a leftie, an Amartya Sen acolyte. Arun makes the leftie eat his words after leftie sites what he calls powerful example.

2. Makes pieces of leftist shibboleths by citing facts and reality. Blasts India’s perverted secularism, divisive politics.

3. Ascribes BJP’s organisation weakness for its election loss in 2004 and onwards.

4. Describes NaMo’s remarkable performance in Gujarat and how he  can electrify BJP’s moribund electoral organisation.

5. Says it is OK if communal minded muslims dont vote BJP. Alludes to BJP working on native consolidation.

Arun says much more. Listening to audio alone will provide

(Any blog volunteer should he be interested can prepare the transcript and shareon India’s bogus secularism, leftist canards, NaMo’s performance & prospective role in BJP, MF Hussein’s islamist hypocrisy, corruption, pernicious influence of money in electoral politics.

Key Points:

1. Moderator seems a leftie, an Amartya Sen acolyte. Arun makes the leftie eat his words after leftie refers to what he calls powerful example. Leftie refers to Hindutva, but has trouble defining it.
2. Makes pieces of leftist shibboleths by citing facts and reality. Blasts India’s perverted secularism, divisive politics.
3. Ascribes BJP’s organisation weakness for its election loss in 2004 and onwards.
4. Describes NaMo’s remarkable performance in Gujarat and how he  can electrify BJP’s moribund electoral organisation.
5. Says it is OK if communal minded muslims dont vote BJP. Alludes to BJP working on native consolidation.

Arun says much more. Listening to audio alone will do justice to the perspectives he brings out. It is unfortunate that Indian journalism with men like Shourie in Mainstream, that took on corruption in the establishment has degraded to a state where deceits like Shekhar Gupta and NDTV-Barkha Dutt collude in the sly with corrupt Government.

SHORT TRANSCRIPT OF THE SESSION:

(Captured by Offstumped Yossarin)

Long introduction by the master of ceremonies refers to Arun Shourie’s recent pieces critical of the state of affairs in the BJP, doesnt miss an opportunity to recall “Alice in Blunderland” wisecrack at Rajnath Singh.

First question is on soul searching by Arun Shourie.

Arun Shourie starts with attributing the confusion in the Party and the defeat of the Party feeding on each other.

Arun Shourie On Soul Searching

never a good time to do it in hierarchical organisations

Organization should be current not just an electoral machine

conduct of individuals must be exemplary

greater need for soul searching within RSS than in the BJP

decision making in all political parties has been reduced to a small privileged clique

small privileged cliques resist soul searching

Second question is on winning confidence of Indian Muslims

BJP should stand for true secularism

Individual should be the Unit of State Policy

Rejects Communal or Caste based Group Entitlements Policymaking

We should not give to a Communal group what we would deny to a Secular group

Shourie on Affirmative action and caste based reservations

Absurd levels of reservations with sub-castes within sub-castes

Points to absurd promotions in government to fill up quota vacancies

Disputes the label “backwardness” being applied to groups like Jats,Rajputs, Vokkaligas, Lingayats etc.. which are politically so “forward” they are able to force the hand of the State to be labelled backward. Political strength rather than social standing decides who is backward. Shourie refers to his work “Falling over Backwards”

Cant believe that a man like Manmohan Singh could have issued a directive from the Prime Minister’s Office to Nationalised Banks on maintaining records of loans given to Muslims

Asserts that in the long run BJP stands to gain by standing for True Secularism

Next question is on whether BJP should dilute its policies to gain Muslim Votes

believes that Muslims themselves will see credibility in BJP if it sticks by its beliefs and doesnt succumb to temptation of appeasement

If we can identify BPL for PDS why not for targetting socio-economic backwardness in Muslims

Next question is on need for Affirmative Action to address exclusions due to discrimination. Refers to study by Carla Hoff World Bank economist on Caste exclusion.

Shourie questions the wisdom of reinforcing Caste prejudices by asking for Caste to be identified in employment and other State services

Asserts the wrong lessons being inferred from this World Bank example

Questions the use of “criteria” that reinforce the prejudices in State Policy

Next question is on whether Caste neutral policies can deliver on Social Justice

points to notings by British census officers till 1930 on why caste should not be used an enumeration since it is “meaningless and fluid”

refers to an example of a Caste’s population dwindling from 800k to 100k between 2 Census cycles because a certain caste got elevated to a higher caste. Shows that ‘caste’ traditionally was a dynamic rather than static entity.

Points that with Caste based politics we have a race to backwardness to the bottom of the pit to be the most depressed weak caste

Makes a plea against regurgitating cliches on Caste prejudices that have been internalised in Indian public discourse

What are the most important legitimate and serious criticisms of the BJP

1. We have to find a way of relating advancement within the party to performance. Confident that its how things will evolve in the future

2. There has to be an Institutionalized and Objective framework for leadership to evaluate performance

3. Greater clarity on Economic Issues. In Mr. Vajpayee’s Cabinet many leaders mutated into Nehruvian Statists. There has to be a deeper reflection and study of Economic issues. All debate is reduced to one-liners. There has to be deep study and deeper reflection to arrive at a considered view rather than reduce to evening news headlines.

4. Stop reacting to what Governments are doing. Stop reducing all politics to merely agitations on people’s problems. We have to convince people about solutions. We have to convince people we have better ideas and better credibility on execution.

5. On BJP being inclusive it should be a True Secular Party and not one that appeases Muslims. BJP should have a pan-India ideology and appeal that doesnt exclude anyone

For those who are less familiar with Indian politics, explain what Hindutva means in terms of Hindu religion

That question is best addressed to those who use the word Hindutva and like to describe themselves as Hindu Nationalists, I dont know.

As a word everybody keeps using it but I have not got a coherent reply on what it means, even Islam is a way of life.

Is there anything special about Hindutva and BJP

BJP has essentially taken up issues on rebound.

BJP has been unique in taking up issues that were peddled in the name of Muslims if not actually in their interests

Bending to religious fundamentalists like Bhindranwale

More specifically on Congress bending to pressures from those claim to speak on behalf of religions

It was these issues that got BJP the label

I still maintain these are not primary ways to convince voters

BJP has to convince voters by delivering on Governance – superior policies and implementation

Who is most responsible for rot in BJP ?

Those outside BJP who use these characterisations, those who drifted state policy towards appeasing groups

Several of the Hindu values not very different from buddhist values were evident in the personal lives of RSS leaders, previous generation BJP leaders – austerity, pride in native traditions, and its relevance, are no longer evident in BJP

On changing levels of tolerance and openness in Indian Society – Mangalore pub incident, cases against M.F. Hussain, Raj Thackeray etc.. was India more tolerant in 1960s 1970s than now

India is an ocean, these incidents are deplorable they have nothing to do with religion or tradition, these are fringe individuals and groups

Mangalore incident was stage managed. Ready presence of TV camera crews at the site of incident is a give away.

On MF Hussain absolutely no justification whatsoever for him to be in exile for him to be berated or attacked

How is it that MF Hussain that with his great skill has never felt an urge to paint the face of the Muslim Prophet but has always found the inspiration to paint Indian Gods without any hesitation ?

It is a double standard, it  reflects the selective way in which critics on both sides frame issues draws attention to paintings showing Sita deriving erotic pleasure from Hanuman’s tail while no paintings on Prophet’s wives

On vegetarianism and buildings brilliant Market based solution – let us build more buildings so there are many alternatives and those who are exclusionary are passed over

On Narendra Modi – should he be projected as a future Prime Minister or should that be off the table to build a winning BJP

1. This is a question that requires an extended answer

2. We should not underwhelm or trivialize his Development track record and on Governance

3. His work on development is exemplary

4. When he brings water to Kutch or Saurashtra its not that water is only to Hindus and discriminating against Muslims same goes for fruits of development from Roads and Power. Why dont we see that track record  ?

5. His critics have made him a national figure today. I personally saw this.

6. One day I was travelling from Delhi to Manipal in Karnataka. It happened by coincidence when assembly election results from Gujarat came out. I was in the Plane and I was working the election was out of my mind. In the middle of the plane the Air Hostess comes to tell me that the Captain sends you a message that Narendra Modi is doing well in Gujarat. In the airport the porters came to congratulate that Modi was winning. Many hours later in Mumbai people in the airport came to me to congratulate. The baggage handlers in Mangalore airport embraced me when Modi’s tally in Gujarat crossed 121 seats.

7. Can he be the future of the winning party – he will immediately electrify the party if he comes to Delhi but there will also be deep divisions in the country. He will have to overcome those divisions if he has to make it a winning Party. But no doubt he will immideately electrify the Party.

We should not under-estimate his potential to be elected to High Office if the current trend of religion based entitlements continues

Open House questions followed.

What should BJP’s future economic policies be  India versus Bharat ?

Yashwant Sinha gave a very good answer to this.

How is it that in Punjab those economic reforms got the BJP seats but in Haruyana BJP got wiped out. That they lost in Maharashtra gained in Gujarat. Lost in Andhra won in Karnataka.

The cliche of India Shining versus Aam Admi is a media inspired cliche

Tail Piece:

Indian Secularism is Sick

Congress I (islami-isai) supported by communist elements have foisted an ugly perversion of secularism on native Indians.

Secularism in the West was conceived to keep in check totalitarian dogmatic church, a known institution of deceit and perversion. Since Islam too is dogmatic and totalitarian, Secularism in India would have made sense if it helps keep these beliefs under check.

On account of perversion by Congress I (islami-isai) and communists, secularism was used to undermine native Hinduism, a decentralised faith, a faith where experience is central, skepticism is integral, belief voluntary and text subservient.

Articles 26 to 30 have been used to empower totalitarian xianity/islam. In India, we have a situation wherein all the rights, privileges and prerogatives belong to the minorities and the native Indians are left holding the duties, responsibilities and obligations.

Natives as we know in India cant set up education institutions to propagate their values/heritage. And native places of worship alone get regulated by the hostile government, their resources abused/looted.

All this happens while followers of totalitarian dogmas propogate their hateful beliefs unrestrained and actively encouraged by government and corrupt media.

In India’s perverse electoral environment native icons/beliefs can be abused without any costs while totalitarian beliefs get noting but eulogies. And the forced eulogy of totalitarian beliefs are underwritten by violence. All hell breaks lose when xian/muslim idols like jesus/koran are critically examined.

Moral equivalence between  Native Indian Hinduism, a decentralised faith, a faith where experience is central, skepticism is integral, belief voluntary and text subservient and dogmatic totalitarian beliefs like islam and christianity remains an egregious error. Islam and christianity remain beliefs pushing its followers towards medieval dark ages and barbarianism. This perversion of secularism can be rightly called as sickularism.

One such example of this perversion is presented below as a Congress candidate argues Hinduon Ka Shahr Se Naamon Nishaan Mitaanaa Hai:

Congress leader Syed Abdul Quadir Amir (Quadir Maulana) candidate for Aurangabad during elections, extorts that native Indians/their parties should be obliterated and Aurangabad islamised.

Native Indians have been historically naive and charitable towards followers foreign totalitarian beliefs that seek to uproot native Indian heritage and culture using all possible. It is time to call their bluff.

Arunachal Pradesh – Chinese Checkers

What is cooking in Arunachal Pradesh? Recent census in China daily shows 96% chinese protest Indian PM visiting Arunachal Pradesh.

Typical of communist totalitarian creed, Chinese communists were/are as deceitful as Indian ones, if not more. The People’s Daily, a newspaper run by the Communist Party’s propaganda wing, articulating the party’s positions on foreign affairs,  alluded to India’s relationship with the United States, and said India followed a policy of “befriending the far and attacking the near.” This when China’s policy for the past 37 years has been to ally with the US and undermining its neighbours.

And it is china which has sought to undermine India by encirculating it, nuclear arming Pakistan. It deployed its strategic asset, Communist Party of India -Marxist (CPI-M), a party with traiterous legacy to enable (a) Maoist takeover of Nepal (b)  undermining defence buildups (c) India being leveraged for neo-colonial relationship (take in raw materials from India, export manufactured goods).

China’s occupation of Tibet was both illegal and imperialist. Tibetan natives are not chinese in any sense of the term. Tibetans are racially different from Chinese. Their language, culture, land, beliefs all are different. Tibetan script is similar to native Indian script and is very different from mandarin. Chinese imperialism and hypocrisy can be gauged from the fact that while China has provided autonomy to chinese majority HongKong, it refuses to do so to occupied Tibet.

Once china incorporated Tibet by force and illegally settled in han people at Tibet, and sought to squash Tibetan culture, leader of Tibetans took refuge in India.

Arunachal Pradesh is culturally Tibetan. China’s game is to wear Tibetan cause out by waiting for Dalai Lama to attain Samadhi so that it can appoint puppet Dalai Lama. China is also targeting to invade/occupy Arunachal pradesh so that it can complete subjugation of native Tibetans.

Dalai Lama’s visit to Arunachal Pradesh is what is riling down China. Dalai Lama’s visit to Arunachal Pradesh asserts existence of Free Tibet where Dalai Lama’s clout and prestige still count. That coupled with the anointment of next Dalai Lama from Indian part of Free Tibet, will ensure Tibetan live to fight for their freedom another day.

We know that India’s third rate abomination and infamy Jawaharlal Nehru sold out Tibetan interests by enabling China’s illegal occupation of Tibet, World’s largest imperialist land grab in 20th century. India should not sell out the interests of Tibetans and must insist both publically and in private that China is dutybound to provide in the minimum genuine autonomy for Tibetans and maintain Tibet’s identity. It should ensure that Tibetan independent cause remains alive and that the cause transcends present Dalai Lama. Both morally and from the realpolik position, this is sensible for India.

Now, let us see what many native Indians think about China.

Shubh Deepawali and Political NGOs

Come diwali and we see many rodents coming out from their underground burroughs. 

Essentially these are of two types: (a) Xian (b) Communist

One will shout that Diwali causes pollution, exploits child labor. Another will hector that crackers cause cancer. Rogue media which is funded by islami-isai elements will play along magnifying the noise. Children especially are targetted to be brainwashed and natives trained to hate their own traditions.

Of course you will not find of any of these organizations making any brouhaha on Hajj journey, which results in most collosal wastage of resources (both personal and worse taxpayer’s). Also come December and the collossal wastage of power that accompanies that non native abomination, xian celebration of great hoax (virgin conception indeed), something that never gets critiqued. India is a strange place where pure evil deceits in action that cheat natives dont get questionned, worse get eulogized. 

The real reason Diwali gets targeted is this: To undermine native Indian traditions and beliefs. There is another raisondetre for targetting native Indian festivities: During holi, native children use water gun, and in Diwali, toy guns, fireworks. For natives both the festivities represent lot of fun. Enemies of natives seek to completely enervate natives and cut down Khatriya/Khalsa spirit, which totalitarians see as a threat. 

This criticism of native traditions happens as xian rogues Diwalify their great hoax. And appropriate  native traditions like ‘Vijayadashami Aksharabyas’, claiming them xian. 

Government would do well to ensure Xians/muslims are forbidden from using crackers for their festivals. It isnt their tradition. Bennet and Coleman, Andhashradha Nirmulan Samiti kind of charlatans would do well to eradicate superstitions that make up islam/xianity for betterment of India/world. Too many people go around that believe in hoaxes like virgin giving birth, flying in winged horse to heaven, dead men coming back et al. 

As for my dear native Indian (Hindu, Jain, Sikh) friends, as Deng paraphrased native Indian tradition, to be prosperous and happy is glorious. Enemies of happiness, those who create and peddle poverty are the enemies of native Indians, in case of India (rogue groups like communists/congress I (islami-isai). 

So, dear reader, celebrate the triumph of Dharma by lighting up your home, wearing your new clothes, and by lighting your seven shots, your flower pots, zameen chakers, sparklers and by exploding hydrogen bombs. It is Indian government’s Hydrogen Bomb that was a dud, not the ones from Sivakasi. Do ensure that your security remains paramount by maintaining distance from crackers, and that crackers are handled under adult supervision. BJP leaders, native organizations with funds would do well to contribute lights, new clothes, crackers for poor people and light up happiness in their homes. 

Shubh Diwali